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01/30/2023 at 4:53 pm #58415
OK so you are the authority on all types of sharpening and sharpeners. I’ll have to remember that in the future. I mean you even had to point out that there is a very tiny amount of steel at the apex. What a revelation! You don’t think there are ways to sharpen different edges differently? The WE is the only answer? You do realize they make belts in different grits and materials right. Some of them made to prevent the very problem you are worried about. A sharpening sander is not a belt sander from Home Depot. The speed can be controlled, compounds can be used, hell you can even run water on them continuously. If you think that your way of sharpening is the only correct way then, well that’s all the info I need from you sir. Have a nice day.
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01/30/2023 at 3:29 pm #58409Welcome to the search for the “perfect” edge. lol
Good luck, hope you are as happy as I’ve been with my decision.
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01/30/2023 at 3:22 pm #58408Professionals have been using belt sanders, wheels, or the like in one form or another for hundreds of years. with the right material and in the right hands, so you don’t ruin the heat treat, you can make edges very, very sharp with convex edge and no limitation on blade width. You can also polish the daylights out of the knife if you want it pretty.
Otherwise you could learn the ancient art of sharpening by hand, with the right stones, which are crazy expensive, for an edge of that type.
These are my opinions of course, I’m not a professional so take my comments the way you will.
To the pleasure, sksharp
01/30/2023 at 3:49 am #58406I also own a WE60, pre purchased when it first came out for $150.00. With the deluxe case and an extra set of stones(800/1000) and 14/10 leather strop, it’s a pretty complete system for personal use on certain knives, but it has limitations. For portability and ease of set up there’s nothing close though. Perfect for hunting and vacation trips. You can even leave it in your vehicle so you always have it if you want, it takes up very little space.
A comparison of the 66 to the 130 is a better comparison I think. I think the 130 is more flexible, and with my Nanuk case that came with it, it’s portable but 50 or so pounds fully loaded and the size of a large suitcase with wheels. Not something most people are going to want to drag through the woods on vacations or hunting camps.
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01/30/2023 at 1:31 am #58405There is a lot in your post. Providing your stones are all broke in, I find the higher(or finer) grits like 1500 take longer to break in than lower grit stones, diamond stones always have a “toothy” edge. The strops are a great way to get rid of the “tooth” on your edge. The edges I’ve made with expensive wet stones are the only ones that don’t need to be stropped, but stropping can help most any edge, if done correctly. There are also advantages in having a little tooth depending on use and knife material.
MarcH is correct, there is no substitute for consistency. Developing good habits in the beginning will save a lot of time trying to unlearn bad or sloppy habits later.
In order to minimize the # of strokes, it’s important to check angle with a cube with every grit change. With that being said the more stokes you use the less you have to check the angle but you wind up reseting the angle slightly with almost every grit demanding a lot of strokes. I check angle with cube on every grit change and I scrub the edge on every grit at the start. After profiling edge at the start, it only take a few passes to create a burr on both sides. then I do alternating strokes until satisfied. When you get to to fine grits you can check for a burr with toilet paper if you need to. Also I try to use diminishing pressure as I go through every grit change. Pressure can have a great effect on your edges. Every grit has limit to its results. While it is true a lot of stroke delivers generally better results, at some point you run into diminishing results. After a certain point, all the strokes in the world are not going to have a huge effect. You can, if you are like me, chase your tail looking for perfect edges. There is nothing wrong with that by the way but we all need to determine how much time you have or want to spend on each edge. Time is a strategy though if you have it. I’ve spent hours, hell 10, 12, 14 or more hours on 1 edge. After a few of those I determined, for myself, that much time on 1 knife wasn’t really making the edge a lot sharper but did make it prettier. My sharpest edges were not always my prettiest edges.
For “shaving” edge you have to use strops, in my humble opinion. Lapping films produce less teeth than diamond stones but still produce little teeth here and there but less than a stone. Stopping gets rid of teeth and can produce “toothless” edges. It has taken me much more time with the strops than with the stones to produce results I was looking for.
Keep in mind there is a lot more to sharpness than just the sharpener, stones, equipment ect. ect. The grind of the knife, thickness of blade, type of material are all factors in “sharpness” just name a few.
Hope some of the rant helps, To the pleasure, sksharp
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01/27/2023 at 6:27 pm #58396Can’t help with IT problems, but welcome.
01/27/2023 at 6:10 pm #58395What has worked for me on very chip prone material, in my case ceramic blades, use finer stones than you normally would and very light pressure. To much grit and they chip, to much pressure they chip. I like the idea of the whetstones, the softer stones will help prevent chipping. Take your time because it will take longer to sharpen than normal knives.
01/27/2023 at 5:56 pm #58394I have the case for the pro-pack 3, purchased together six years ago or so. I have a complete set of stones in the case and a newer set on March’s rack its. I just cover the extra rack-it just to keep dust off. I’m not sure I would even consider a smaller case though. I can take that case on the road and have everything I need, and then some most of the time. If you use a low profile case you will have to take your sharpener off the base every time you store it and I don’t recommend that. I have never separated my granite base from the sharpener. I don’t recommend that you do that on regular basis. This is just my opinion so take it with a grain of salt. We all have differing needs that’s for sure.
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01/27/2023 at 5:38 pm #58393I have run into a similar problem sharpening knives with what I was told was a Swedish grind. Some people around here use them for hunting knives. Because of the amount of metal to be removed I put a 15 degree standard edge on them and the hunters loved it. I know that doesn’t help you but my experience with that particular grind is they are not flat when you get them the grind is convex. This means you will have to remove a ton of metal. A guided belt sharpener would be the thing for that knife, In my humble opinion.
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01/27/2023 at 5:24 pm #58392While I trust and have talked to staff at WE, keep in mind this is their new sharpener and it is what they will push. I am not saying that the person you talked to is incorrect. I do not own or have not ever used the 66 but I have sharpened over 1000 knives with my 130 and I love it. It does sound to me that the new sharpener is easier to use maybe, but I’ll tell you the 130 is not hard to use. By the time I had my first set of stones broke in, I had me broke in to. I still learn all the time and always try to improve my stroke and process. I don’t care what system you use, there is a learning curve with all of them and there is no substitute for experience. Weigh the $. Either way I think you are going to like your new system. Good luck.
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01/27/2023 at 5:06 pm #58391I have not been on this forum for some time now…so how is everyone? I have owned my WE130 for 6 or so years now and I added to it for the first year or 2. I now have all strops, all lapping films, almost all stropping compounds, scissor att. ect ect ect. Even have a set of expensive wet stones and I can say without reservation that I love all of it. Is it overkill for you? The base 130 system has less in it today than it used to and if I had to do it over I would absolutely do it the same way. The 130 is a great starting package and you will know soon what if anything you will want to add to it. You will do your Shuns and other knives proud with that system and with the knives you describe, the 130 will probably last you the rest of you life. I also have the WEGO and I love that for doing a lot of knives for others because it’s a quick setup and does a reasonably good job. For most folks it’s still the sharpest knives they own after I’m done. With the 130 however I can dial in the exact edge that I want to create and repeat it very easily. How much do you want to spend and how much are you going to use it? If you have the $ and want to spend it the WE130 is a GREAT sharpener. If you are on a budget and want a sharpener that does a good job the WEGO is awesome, especially with an extra set of stones and a strop say the 14/10 or 5/3.5. or my favorite strop the 4/2 emulsion strops in leather. Hope this helps you a little.
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07/16/2019 at 2:34 pm #51094I’ve had a GO since it came out and I use it 30% of the time or so(also have a 130). I check the tension on the screws on every stone just like I’m setting it up for the first stone. I use an angle cube and re-adjust the angle to the desired degree. Doing this I don’t have any issue with the screw loosening since I’m checking the tension on every stone.
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06/19/2018 at 6:29 am #46640We’ll look forward to hearing from you in a month or so when you can pull away from your sharpener long enough. lol
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06/19/2018 at 6:14 am #46637Welcome Blaino , your scale for sharpness is going to change very quickly Sir.
06/12/2018 at 12:58 pm #46592Hello Joe! Organic, MarcH, and TCMeyers are your go to’s for kitchen knives. I know MarcH has a lot of experience with high end kitchen knifes and is always willing to help. Look forward to your experiences and advise.
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