Re: the new 2200/3000 stones?
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I ordered a set a few days ago. I currently use the 1500 followed by 6, 3 and 1 DLF’s then I use mostly the Nano strops with .50 and .25 diamond sprays on them.
With these newly introduced grits where would the 2200/3000 stones fall in my progression? I don’t want to re-introduce coarser scratches.
I’m excited with these new grits as I was never a fan of going the ceramic route with their longer break in periods and the potential breakage of them. My favorite stone is the 1500, so I’m hoping the new 2200/3000 will fit into my progression and maybe even eliminate some of the grits/DLFs I’m currently using.
Can these new stones eliminate any of the abrasives in my progression noted above to save me time?
Where would ceramics (if I did own two sets of ceramics) the 1200/1600 grit and the 1.4 mu/1.6mu? I might pick them up someday used as a $215 investment is steep considering I might not like them. I did originally buy those sets when I was starting my system up, but returned them unopened after reading more about them and went the DLF route.
I ask because I’m always up for shortening my progression routine.
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I will attempt to answer your questions to where these stones fit in the progression:
It is our nature to try to place things in a seemingly orderly arrangement. Since we stacked blocks as children one on top of the other. I posted previously, it is not a simple thing to arrange different grit mediums together in an orderly systematic array. This has been problematic and has been attempted with several different grit comparison charts including a unified grit chart.
Different methods of comparison are utilized from visual, to physical, to scientific. Whether we consider the appearance of the scratch width, depth and spacing or the particle size creating the scratches it is difficult to place different mediums all together in a single orderly array that is agreeable to all.
It is too subjective. There is also a natural tendency to want to stack all of our blocks, so to speak, in one big continuous tall stack. These grits of different mediums are different and all of them do not work together. You have to pick and choose, what to use, based on the results you desire. The grit designations hold as a pretty good guide as long as we stay within the same abrasive mediums. It’s when we try to mix and match that it becomes more subjective and difficult to place them in order.
I suggest you use the grits or described particle sizes, strictly as a guide. This ordering process becomes more intuitive. You have to try what seems logical to you. Then make your observations and adjust your results to your liking. To use a pun, the orders are not “set in stone”.
Different stone sequences work for different expected outcomes. The “art” of knife sharpening is knowing which sequence to utilize when. To achieve the results your working towards. This is an experiential process.
Marc
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Thanks for this response Marc. I had already dropped a PM earlier today to Clay for his thoughts on where these new stone’s might be used in the scheme of at least my own abrasive progression. Since he is the marketer of these new grits it will be interesting to see what his thoughts are too.
Of course once I start using them I’ll be able to tell the size of the scratches. I’d like to phase out the DLF’s as I find they don’t last that long and contaminate easily. I can be progressing and seeing a very clear edge developing and then impart deeper scratches again from the DLF’s. This is why I had my thoughts of maybe picking up the two sets of ceramics again and not using any DLF’s. This is why I ordered the 2200/3000 grit. They are probably to new to see them being used in a Youtube vid or some user reviews.
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I will add this, when transitioning from one abrasive grit medium to the next, through experience, I have found it’s helpful yielding better results, to utilize a several grit backstep or overlap. The overlap though seemingly a redundant effort, appears to better blend and remove the previous scratch patterns and give a better, cleaner, sharp and polished final result.
A fuller more comprehensive strop progression, again, although seemingly redundant helps, just the same. Maybe even more so, for the final sharpness.
Marc
(MarcH's Rack-Its)Thanks. Makes sense. From your first comment above seems to me what you describe is a “map”. Just like driving from point A to point B I know there can be many routes to get to my final destination and all these abrasives Clay sells are the many routes to a super sharp edge. I didn’t want to overlap with what I’m doing now with the addition of these new stones to my collection and even better, if I could eliminate some abrasives to speed things up for me.
Yes, with some abrasive changes I might need to back up to blend the change. I’ve read that before from you. These stones are new and I don’t know the size of the scratches they will leave. Maybe others can compare say chosera stones as I noticed they have high numbers out to 10,000.
Thats why I asked where these new grits would fit into how “I” am currently using his product line of various abrasives to reach my goal of mirrored bevels and super sharp edges on my folders. I’m not as fussy with my kitchen knives and don’t spend a lot of time when progressing through. I’d actually like to stop at 800/1000 so as not to have an edge that is so thin, it easily rolls in too short a time using them. I’m leaning now towards more of a working edges for my kitchen knives.
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Good recent thread on DLF vs ceramics:
I wonder if the 2200/3000 would do well after the 1500’s and then onto stropping dropping the DLF’s. Maybe use the micro ceramics but I’m not a 50 stroke per side kinda guy!
Be interesting to see what type of scratches these new stones impart as without the DLF’s there would be no blending of different abrasives. Lets see when Clay chimes in what he can add.
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I was thinking I would use them after my 1500 and before the ceramics and lapping films. I know the grits are finer than the ceramics grits are but the ceramic and lapping films are a softer medium. If you look at the wicked edge grit progression chart it tends to keep the mediums together more so than the grits.
Update: I did pick up a set of the micro fine ceramic stones 1.4mu/.6mu.
Ill see if I can work my progression … 1500>2200/3000>microfine ceramic 1.4/.6>Nano strops with .5/.25 diamond spray.
I expect to see a slowing of my time spent once I reach the ceramic stones, but I might make some of that time up when I eliminate the time I was spending with the 3 DLF’s 6, 3 and 1.
I still might have to bring some of the DLF’s back into play maybe for dropping back to blend in the changes with these various abrasives.
I suspect that your progression with the diamond lapping films is going to be a faster way to get a mirror edge than the progression with the ceramic stones. I will be interested to hear whether or not my prediction matches your experience.
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