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Bummer. You might be the first here to have a production model, (the pictures look different than the prototype pics I’ve seen), so calling in may be the only answer. Hopefully, an easy fix.

Keep us posted!

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Welcome to sharpness! 🙂

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I can’t speak to the ability of Wicked Edge to increase production, or the issues/problems associated with manufacturing, supply, etc. I know nothing about that. But it’s worth noting, and I think many forget, that Wicked Edge has been in business less than 5 years, started the WE concept essentially from “ground zero”, has won “Blade Show” twice in that time, and is now mentioned in many posts, forums, videos, websites, etc. where someone wants to reference a quality sharpening device, or the edge put on a blade. That’s pretty impressive in my book… especially given that fact that there are a ton of sharpening devices on the market.

I’m betting it’s a problem WE doesn’t want, and is doing what they can to solve it! 🙂 Doesn’t help the frustration on the consumer end, I know, but I just think it’s worth noting the above.

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To me the stones also feel very similar (smoothness, hardness).

I agree… they seem more similar than different. I guess you could do a comparison picture of what type of finish they leave on a knife… although the fact that the stones’ finish can be altered by lapping, this probably isn’t necessary… or wouldn’t really tell that much anyway.

Nice pics!!

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I got a 3 drawer metal toolbox and lined the drawers with a non skid padding… that is working for me. Holds the stones and other odds and ends that I use during sharpening… magnifier, Sharpie, rags, compounds, etc.

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Easiest way is to click “Add File” at the bottom of the message box…

then click “Insert” to insert the code into your post…

The photos won’t appear until you Submit the post.

(Now I just hope this worked!) 😛

Edit 1: Hahaha and of course it didn’t. It did this the other day… for some reason it wouldn’t post the pics. After a while it worked again. So maybe it’s just broken right now.

Edit 2: AhHA! I figured out why it didn’t work… apparently the file size can’t be very large. I reduced them down, and now they posted.

The alternative is to host them yourself… like thru photobucket… then just insert the image code.

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Check out this video (starting around the 5 min. mark relates to this thread)…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-8AHFAtaqU

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Last I heard (read?)… around mid-August. So, should be pretty close!

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Congratulations!

The beauty of a controlled system vs. freehand, is that each stroke is more effective… doing precisely what you want it to do. So, as you have discovered, it can be more efficient.

Snap a pic when you’re done if you can! Also, don’t forget to add your results to the knife database. Sounds like that with your experience with knives and sharpening, your results will be beneficial.

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I have always been interested in learning how to sharpen a knife and eliminate as many variables as possible. I’ve used the Spyderco for awhile and I have recently been adding to my knife collection (all of them for regular use). Wicked Edge and the members here that have posted videos on YouTube convinced me to make the investment.

Funny – I’ve been collecting straws, picked up the angle cube and have just been waiting to see if some of the suggested improvements would make it to the Pro package. Can’t wait to try this on blades ranging from the ESEE’s to a small Al Mar.

Welcome to the fun! :woohoo:

I can’t find it, but I think Clay posted somewhere that the “suggested improvements” (I’m guessing you mean things like the redesigned arms) will be sold as an accessory. So don’t let that stop you from ordering! The setup “as is” does a great job… which you’ve already seen from the videos.

Have fun!

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So, just out of curiosity…

Keep in mind: It is important to note that push cut apex testing reveals only very limited information about real world “cutting ability”.. No matter what the results of my testing tomorrow of the ZT0550 I stand by my statement that the ZT holds up 4x better than a sebbie in the real world.

… did you change your mind? 🙂

I’m curious, and I know your test method is new, so you may not have this info yet, but can you give a little better idea of what a “350g test” blade can still do? You said it started to fail cutting paper… can it, for example, still shave arm hair at all, or whatever description you want to add.

Also, do you have a parts list avail. for your testing setup? I’m getting tempted…

Thanks.

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..but I’m not sure I understand (or if you’re saying…) how you came to this conclusion for Rlb’s knife? I think it would also be benefical if, after the testing you just did (if you haven’t done anything else to the knife), is to repeat what Rlb did… make 10 cuts thru some paper and see how the edge holds up.

The answer is because Ribs knife is a member of a set.

Well, it’s the old problem: If you don’t ask the right question you will get the wrong answer every time. In this case you have phrased the question (and it looks like maybe Cliff did as well..) to inquire specifically about a single member of and one occurrence in a subset of a much larger set. By phrasing any question that way it forces the answer to include the member of the subset to then become part of the answers equation. The question, properly phrased in relation to the largest set of which all are members of is: “Why are there so many reports of issues with the CRK sebenza failing to properly hold or take an edge that is equivalent to other similar knives made with the same steel?” If you ask the question like this “Why did Joe or John or Harry have trouble with the CRK sebenza failing to properly hold or take an edge that is equivalent to other similar knives made with the same steel?” then, of course Joe, John and Harry become part of the answer, when in fact they are not.

Forensic science battles with this all the time, all science does in fact. In this brief topic thread you have 3 separate reports (the Joe John and Harry’s of this case..) of trouble with the knife in question. If you look at the larger sets as seen on, for example, Blade Forums, Knife Forums, etc you will see hundreds of trouble reports that comprise a very large set group..

Anyway, I did as you requested, I cut 10 slices of copy paper with the sebbie, and then it began to fail to direct push cut at 90. I put it on the test jig and took a sampling of points across the blade and the numbers have jumped to 350-375 grams from un disturbed locations that were in the low to mid 200s. I will repeat all this on the ZT0550 as soon as I get a chance, hopefully that will be today, but only so many hours in the day for me 🙁 .[/quote]

Makes sense… although I’m not so sure that the conclusion can be so quickly made. But I see where you’re coming from.

Thanks for doing the cut test… at least that relates some to Rlbs knife. This will all be even more beneficial when your tester becomes more widely used, and some of your findings can be correlated to other factors… for example right now saying a blade “failed to cut” could mean a number of things, but having an actual number would certainly narrow things down. I like where you’re headed with that.

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I make one conclusion so far about all this: 1.) I think we might have debunked here the ‘must be operator error and you have a wire hair remaining on the blade apex’ issue.. I conclude that the thing would have never survived 75 contacts in the same area and only shown a 100 gram increase if there were serious apex issues with sharpening technique. It seems likely that things would have degraded much more rapidly and the push cut forces would have ramped up to much higher values much sooner if that was the case

Good post and testing… but I’m not sure I understand (or if you’re saying…) how you came to this conclusion for Rlb’s knife? I think it would also be benefical if, after the testing you just did (if you haven’t done anything else to the knife), is to repeat what Rlb did… make 10 cuts thru some paper and see how the edge holds up.

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Based on experience with the Sebenza and other blades, you are likely experiencing poor performance from a number of issues the most likely one being that the edge was over heated in the initial grinding. I would suggest :

-make one pass right into the stones to grind a small flat along the edge which clearly reflects light
-apex the edge until it stops reflecting light
-increase the angle dramatically (as in 10-15 dps) and use 1-2 passes per side
-reset the angle and use 10-20 extremely light passes (5-10 grams of load) to remove the heavy micro-bevel

This is a good suggestion.

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Thanks for the update…. you were in a sharpening contest? There a link to it?

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