Desktop air purifier
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Josh; I have been looking into this recently myself. I have purchased these new masks (Elipse- P100) which are simply pleasant to use. One can wear these for long periods of time with little fatigue. (View Link Here). I wish they made the NBC masks in the military to this standard. I also have been studying these two systems. One system is from Jooltool by Anie found (Here- Click to view) I like it simply because it has a foot pedal and turns off an on quickly upon demand (Hands Free). The other system is made by Magna-Magtic (Click Here to View Website) Both of these system are industrial and should last a long time. Both are designed for the types of particles we find ourselves in contact with daily while abrading metal. I use the Swiffer Dusters to clean my work-space and the blades like TCmeyer. They work pretty well. Also, have you tried using distilled water for sharpening? The lack of minerals in the water helps to protect the stones and customer tools. It is used for cleaning because it is seeking to bind to tiny particles. Distilled water isn’t laden with other minerals like tap water and even bottled water. I hope that gives you some ideas!
Eddie Kinlen
M1rror Edge Sharpening Service, LLC
+1(682)777-1622Josh: Have you tried the Swiffer Duster to wipe up the dust with each grit change? Seems to work really well for me. I use it to clear any and all dust from the knife before USB ‘scope inspection and I don’t get much build-up around the base. It’s amazing how well that fuzzy rag picks up all the dirt and dust. If you’re concerned about airborne particulates generated at the belt sander, that’s another problem entirely. I wouldn’t have thought that metal dust would become airborne that easily, but I guess there are other materials involved as well.
No I haven’t tried the Swiffer Duster yet Tom, I’ll have to give that a shot and see if it works better than my windex/paper towel method hehe. But what I’m worried about here is the dust shed both from the stones and from the steel when sharpening. You can try this: sharpen a little bit and then hold up a bright led flashlight above the Wicked Edge and you will see stuff floating through the air. That’s what I want to clean as it’s right in my face 🙂
Josh; I have been looking into this recently myself. I have purchased these new masks (Elipse- P100) which are simply pleasant to use. One can wear these for long periods of time with little fatigue. (View Link Here). I wish they made the NBC masks in the military to this standard. I also have been studying these two systems. One system is from Jooltool by Anie found (Here- Click to view) I like it simply because it has a foot pedal and turns off an on quickly upon demand (Hands Free). The other system is made by Magna-Magtic (Click Here to View Website) Both of these system are industrial and should last a long time. Both are designed for the types of particles we find ourselves in contact with daily while abrading metal. I use the Swiffer Dusters to clean my work-space and the blades like TCmeyer. They work pretty well. Also, have you tried using distilled water for sharpening? The lack of minerals in the water helps to protect the stones and customer tools. It is used for cleaning because it is seeking to bind to tiny particles. Distilled water isn’t laden with other minerals like tap water and even bottled water. I hope that gives you some ideas!
Love those masks dude, they look very comfortable and light weight! Unfortunately I have a beard (although if it comes down to my lungs or beard the beard’s got to go!) I am trying to find another option if possible though.
Those dust vacuum’s look great, thanks for the links!! I did find this (check out their video), which looks perfect I’m just not sure on the cost… looking into it.
Distilled water huh? I’ll have to look into it? Would this prevent any staining or oxididation on the blade if it was 1095 or d2 or something? That’s what I’m worried about.
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Josh, that unit looks pretty cool. I remember a long while back a customer brought up the issue and made a little video about it. He was keeping his computer monitor near his sharpening station and noticed that his screen was getting covered in dust. There was a decent discussion about it back then and some of our more scientifically literate members shared that the metal dust could be bad for the lungs but not to worry about the diamond dust because it’s inert. I don’t know the truth of that statement but found it interesting.
You could try coating the flats of the blade in oil to prevent oxidation while using water on your stones. My favorite dust capture is to keep a sponge in a shallow tray with water and dish soap behind the sharpener and occasionally dipping the stones onto the sponge. They foam a little but don’t get so wet that water runs down onto the blade.
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Josh; This guy is using the P-100 with a beard just fine. (Click Here). I see no risks to using a diamond abrading tool from time to time without a mask, however, long term exposure like we see commercially sharpening tools must be taken into consideration. I would rather be wrong on this issue and have spent some money protecting my airway than to be right and not have done anything to protect myself.
Distilled Water; These statements are from my personal observation, I am not a chemist. I have read the words of an actual chemist on this forum from time to time, maybe he will “chime in” with his observations.
It is my understanding…. (Distilled water- (Click here for more) is a extremely active cleaner and will pull ions from any surrounding metal, including stainless steel. As de-ionized water contains no ions of its own, it will always look to draw from its immediate surroundings and even the atmosphere. So, it will leave your blades with a cleaner surface at the microscopic level that is less likely to rust or corrode.
Ordinary “Tap water” and most bottled water contains ions that are the result of dissociating various salt compounds. (Click Here to see a Total Dissolved Solid meter Example). If you were to wash a board with this water, some of those salts would be left behind as residue as the water evaporates (Just like in a clothing Iron just on a smaller “scale” (Pun intended) . Over time, these salts will react with atmospheric humidity and cause corrosion (Rust-Oxidation) on metal surfaces.
De-ionized water A.K.A Distilled water has been used for the cleaning of metal of all types for a long time. I would give it a try.
I like the variable speed control of the wall mounted fume extractor. If only we could get all the features in one product (C’est la vie- Such is life) Thanks for sharing.
Eddie Kinlen
M1rror Edge Sharpening Service, LLC
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Josh; This guy is using the P-100 with a beard just fine. (Click Here). I see no risks to using a diamond abrading tool from time to time without a mask, however, long term exposure like we see commercially sharpening tools must be taken into consideration. I would rather be wrong on this issue and have spent some money protecting my airway than to be right and not have done anything to protect myself. Distilled Water; These statements are from my personal observation, I am not a chemist. I have read the words of an actual chemist on this forum from time to time, maybe he will “chime in” with his observations. It is my understanding…. (Distilled water- (Click here for more) is a extremely active cleaner and will pull ions from any surrounding metal, including stainless steel. As de-ionized water contains no ions of its own, it will always look to draw from its immediate surroundings and even the atmosphere. So, it will leave your blades with a cleaner surface at the microscopic level that is less likely to rust or corrode. Ordinary “Tap water” and most bottled water contains ions that are the result of dissociating various salt compounds. (Click Here to see a Total Dissolved Solid meter Example). If you were to wash a board with this water, some of those salts would be left behind as residue as the water evaporates (Just like in a clothing Iron just on a smaller “scale” (Pun intended) . Over time, these salts will react with atmospheric humidity and cause corrosion (Rust-Oxidation) in metal surfaces. De-ionized water A.K.A Distilled water has been used for the cleaning of metal of all types for a long time. I would give it a try. I like the variable speed control of the wall mounted fume extractor. If only we could get all the features in one product (C’est la vie- Such is life) Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for the info! I’ll have to pick up some distilled water for sure!
De-ionized water A.K.A Distilled water has been used for the cleaning of metal of all types for a long time.
Sorry to say, they are not the same. Distilled is made by collecting steam. Deionized is made with electronic charged resins to remove all charged ions. Deionized is what you want to use, not distilled. Deionized is what is used in laboratories.
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Josh: Have you tried the Swiffer Duster to wipe up the dust with each grit change? Seems to work really well for me. I use it to clear any and all dust from the knife before USB ‘scope inspection and I don’t get much build-up around the base. It’s amazing how well that fuzzy rag picks up all the dirt and dust. If you’re concerned about airborne particulates generated at the belt sander, that’s another problem entirely. I wouldn’t have thought that metal dust would become airborne that easily, but I guess there are other materials involved as well.
No I haven’t tried the Swiffer Duster yet Tom, I’ll have to give that a shot and see if it works better than my windex/paper towel method hehe. But what I’m worried about here is the dust shed both from the stones and from the steel when sharpening. You can try this: sharpen a little bit and then hold up a bright led flashlight above the Wicked Edge and you will see stuff floating through the air. That’s what I want to clean as it’s right in my face M1rrorEdge wrote:
Josh; I have been looking into this recently myself. I have purchased these new masks (Elipse- P100) which are simply pleasant to use. One can wear these for long periods of time with little fatigue. (View Link Here). I wish they made the NBC masks in the military to this standard. I also have been studying these two systems. One system is from Jooltool by Anie found (Here- Click to view) I like it simply because it has a foot pedal and turns off an on quickly upon demand (Hands Free). The other system is made by Magna-Magtic (Click Here to View Website) Both of these system are industrial and should last a long time. Both are designed for the types of particles we find ourselves in contact with daily while abrading metal. I use the Swiffer Dusters to clean my work-space and the blades like TCmeyer. They work pretty well. Also, have you tried using distilled water for sharpening? The lack of minerals in the water helps to protect the stones and customer tools. It is used for cleaning because it is seeking to bind to tiny particles. Distilled water isn’t laden with other minerals like tap water and even bottled water. I hope that gives you some ideas!
Love those masks dude, they look very comfortable and light weight! Unfortunately I have a beard (although if it comes down to my lungs or beard the beard’s got to go!) I am trying to find another option if possible though. Those dust vacuum’s look great, thanks for the links!! I did find this (check out their video), which looks perfect I’m just not sure on the cost… looking into it.
Distilled water huh? I’ll have to look into it? Would this prevent any staining or oxididation on the blade if it was 1095 or d2 or something? That’s what I’m worried about. Unfortunately, I don’t believe that using distilled water in the place of tap water would entirely prevent oxidation on high-carbon steel blades. As I understand it, water itself (not just the ions dissolved in tap water) facilitates the oxidation of iron in the steel. Using distilled water in the place of tap water will slow the process, but it won’t totally prevent it.
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Distilled Water; These statements are from my personal observation, I am not a chemist. I have read the words of an actual chemist on this forum from time to time, maybe he will “chime in” with his observations. It is my understanding…. (Distilled water- (Click here for more) is a extremely active cleaner and will pull ions from any surrounding metal, including stainless steel. As de-ionized water contains no ions of its own, it will always look to draw from its immediate surroundings and even the atmosphere. So, it will leave your blades with a cleaner surface at the microscopic level that is less likely to rust or corrode. Ordinary “Tap water” and most bottled water contains ions that are the result of dissociating various salt compounds. (Click Here to see a Total Dissolved Solid meter Example). If you were to wash a board with this water, some of those salts would be left behind as residue as the water evaporates (Just like in a clothing Iron just on a smaller “scale” (Pun intended) . Over time, these salts will react with atmospheric humidity and cause corrosion (Rust-Oxidation) on metal surfaces. De-ionized water A.K.A Distilled water has been used for the cleaning of metal of all types for a long time. I would give it a try.
De-ionized water A.K.A Distilled water has been used for the cleaning of metal of all types for a long time.
Sorry to say, they are not the same. Distilled is made by collecting steam. Deionized is made with electronic charged resins to remove all charged ions. Deionized is what you want to use, not distilled. Deionized is what is used in laboratories. Marc
Deionized water and distilled water are purified differently but can be used interchangeably for many applications. The process of distillation yields higher water purity than deionization but it is more energy intensive and therefore more expensive. In the case we are discussing (cleaning metal dust off of a stone or blade) I would expect them to preform essentially the same. Deionized or distilled water will leave the steel cleaner than using tap water because it will not leave salt residues (often visible in the form of water spots) when it dries.
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