Lenny
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02/01/2019 at 12:36 am #49278
Yes, I know about lapping film and use them when I am going for a truly mirrored edge. I am not interested in achieving a perfectly mirrored edge in this instance for economies sake. My question was more in regards the experience users have with following the ceramics with 4/2 micron and 1/0.5 micron strops and if they were to use only one, which they would pick. I think I more or less agree with you there in that the 4/2 micron are a sensible choice.
Edit: I only reply here to keep the conversation public in case someone else interested in this may find it later on.
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01/31/2019 at 9:29 pm #49275Sure, but what I was getting at was that if 1/0.5 micron strops (with a less aggressive compound) wasn’t a good fit to follow the Micro Fine Ceramics because they are not aggressive enough, why wouldn’t have they opted for the 5/3.5 micron strops instead?
01/31/2019 at 8:28 pm #49273Thanks for all the thoughts guys. I’m going to mess around with it some on a few test knives I have. I just noticed that the Pro-Pack II transitions from the 1.4/0.6 ceramics to 1/0.5 micron pastes. From what I have heard, the emulsions are more effective than pastes of a given grit.
I have actually thought of a powered systems (like a Tormek clone) for knives that need major reprofiling but my space is limited.
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01/30/2019 at 8:39 pm #49260I figure I should post an update.
I found a piece of float glass and attached the 1.5 and 0.5 micron lapping films to it; multiple pieces of each were used to give a larger working surface. I used both small amounts of light weight mineral oil and later trend lapping fluid. I worked in a figure 8 pattern with hands on either end of the stones, occasionally rotating them 180 degrees to try to make sure even wear was happening. After some time (15 minutes?) I looked at the surface: the slight high spots and valleys remained. Perhaps some of the peaks were knocked off but it’s hard to say.
I believe this was because I started the lapping process with the grit I intended to finish the process with: namely 1.5 and 0.5 micron respectively. I thought about trying again starting with some extra 9 micron films I have but didn’t have the energy since the stones work more than good enough for finishing kitchen knives already.
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01/19/2019 at 10:24 am #49095Thanks for the info guys. The photos in the thread are helpful. I don’t think I’ll be working the 9 micron films in my progression unless I feel the need to buy a whole new set of blank handles.
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01/08/2019 at 3:30 pm #48966Yeah, I think that the plates are pretty flat and produce something close enough to a v bevel to let the films take care of the rest. Of course, a bevel doesnt have to be V cut in the first place to be sharp.
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01/08/2019 at 1:45 pm #48962I don’t disagree with that at all and this is not my first sharpening method. This is why I say that the glass backed lapping films produce what is closest to a true V bevel.
01/08/2019 at 11:13 am #48960I find that the lapping films are the most consistent medium. I also feel they give the closest thing to a true V Bevel as we can get since they are glass backed.
I believe the “true V Bevel” you like and see is the results of your entire efforts of good technique, time and attention to details, not any one step in general. It’s not until you reach the culmination, while using the lapping films, do you see the true fruits of your labor. Enjoy the reward.
I think that having good technique and attention to detail is needed but while looking at many of my diamond stones they are clearly not flat. Not hugely concave or convex, but noticeably not flat. I don’t see this issue with my lapping film blanks.
01/07/2019 at 9:42 pm #48957I believe some people want to try use every grit and every medium they own trying to figure out how to put them in an order of logical decreasing coarseness based on a grit table. Different mediums have different characteristics and they all don’t work well together. (Sometimes you have to choose one or the other. This is where experience comes in.) I do use a sequence of decreasing coarseness or increasing grit number, and generally I don’t skip a grit in the same medium sequence, as Lenny said Based on my experiences: Diamond stones > Strops Diamonds > Ceramics > Strops Diamonds > Lapping Films > Strops Whetstones > Strops I have found, for me, ceramics and lapping films don’t work well together in any sequence…one or the other; ceramics or lapping films. Diamond lapping films are IMO nothing more then very fine grit diamond stones. They can improve and refine sharpness and also improve polish by nature of their fine grit. Ceramics can improve and refine sharpness and can also improve polish. It depends on how you look at it and see the results.
Yes, that has been my experience as well with the ceramics and films and not just on the WE. I find that the lapping films are the most consistent medium. I also feel they give the closest thing to a true V Bevel as we can get since they are glass backed.
01/07/2019 at 9:40 pm #48956Have you noticed any break in with them like in the super fine ceramics (if you have used those stones)?
01/07/2019 at 11:10 am #48941How long have you been using your micro fine ceramics?
Yes, I’ve noticed that too. I think a lot of water stones use a coarser grit rating for a given numeric value, for example, the 1000 grit WE stone sits between the 5000 and 8000 grit Shapton according to the grit comparison table.
01/07/2019 at 10:46 am #48940Yes, Organic is correct, play around with it. The diamond stones are the foundation of any sharpening progression I use on the WE. From there, I will proceed with lapping films, ceramics, or more straight to strops. I do not use the lapping films and ceramics together and no do I use strops after my lapping films because I finish with a 1 micron film and feel the edge I get from that is what I want for that application.
I would recommend on finding progressions that give you a good return on time and materials invested, the latter being mostly a concern with lapping films since they are expensive.
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01/06/2019 at 9:55 pm #48934My 1200 grit ceramics do not produce a “scratch” to my eye. Instead its more of a dull luster; these are obviously still scratches but I wanted to describe it in a way relevant to your question.
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01/06/2019 at 9:51 pm #48933I really like the 14/10 strops on balsa. I like the finish they give after the super fine ceramics. I’ve been experimenting using them between my 1500 grit stone and 6 micron films when I’m going the lapping film route.
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12/27/2018 at 9:24 am #48750Yes, that might work. I have some trend lapping fluid which is made specifically for use with diamond abrasives.
Did you try any intermediate grits before taking the ceramics to the 1.5 micron lapping films?
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