Have a good night, Bill, and don’t take a break for too long. I value your input here. See you back soon. 
Here is I think quantifiably and undeniably the final word on “Razor Sharp” 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtBliK5ugDI
As part of my experimenting, I bought a Chicago Cutlery cleaver and converted it to a chisel edge, making the edge 20 degrees inclusive. Some of the razors and scalpels I’ve dissected have had inclusive angles of 20 and 30 degrees, so I’m not surprised that one could shave with a cleaver - although I don’t know if he’s reduced the inclusive angle below the original.
FWIW, the cleaver is a joy to use but the soft steel folds over very easily.
Cliff: I watched the rant video on razor sharpness by Skallagrim. As it wrapped up, I saw this one posted alongside. The weirdest knife mechanism ever. I agree.
Most of us understand it is difficult to sharpen free hand and fortunate for us to have systems such as WE for a quick aid. Free hand skill takes time to develop - with proper tutelage, as witness, even today with the rare Togishi trade in Japan.
This thread is interesting to say the least, which brings me back to the Samurai days in old Japan. I found it interesting after Bladesmith’s work was done, he hand the blade to a Togishi to bring out true life for his blade. After Togishi’s work was done, to verify sharpness, it was used in one skilled stroke and rated as a one, two or three man blade! The higher the number of man, the more value…not in a good position to be any kind of prisoner in those days, where it was the source for human specimen.
Ancient high valued, gleaming free hand mirror’ed blades through the combined efforts by Master Bladesmith & Togishi exits today. Seeing one in person gives me chicken skin!
My buddy is a collector down the road, he has this little amazing piece of engineering:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L3-SvdRH2Y
So fun to play with…
Looks really interesting - especially for UK users. A bit pricey at $495 retail.
One of the tests I had originally posted challenged me to try it for myself. I found it to be a teenie tiny bit harder then I thought.
Perhaps the steeper taper on the primary bevels of a pocket knife make it harder then on a nice thin kitchen knife, but it is possible.
All in all I found it to be, if nothing else, a fun test for sharpness. My paper testing progression has over time went from something like:
Slicing copy paper
Push cutting copy paper
Slicing phone book
Push cutting phone book
Push cutting vertical free standing phone book.
The last test was not easy and it got me thinking of how a simple test can indeed equate to a certain level of edge refinement, sharpness, or keenness.
Note: Full disclosure this was done on my 1x30 with belts.
https://youtu.be/B4lBofMpEfQ
Always thinking outside the box… love it Cliff!
Resurrecting a theme…
From article: Paper Cut: Testing Blade Sharpness at
Using newspaper test The Bite, The Glide and The Fillet.
And, of course, there’s always these:
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Nova's Emperor's Ghost Army (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/ancient/emperors-ghost-army.html) has some intesting segments on forged "sharp" things.... Watched it after the latest episode of "Forged In Fire".
Good day, everyone.
For Now...
My hobbies are far and wide, I am active in many forums…noticed you pop up scarcely in the “Green” forum…one commonality…in all forums…there is a guy like you, my Man…very few posting…but when you do…I listen!
Mahalo!
Victor
Welcome back Mr. Bill, hope you are doing ok!
Welcome back Bill! I was just thinking of you today and hoping we’d see you again soon. I’m glad the sharpening and knife use is going well.
Welcome back, Bill! Good to hear you still have wickedly sharp edges 
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Hey Bill good to see you back!
You are not very active in C5 forum anymore but nice to see you back here Bill.
Certainly happy to see you found and enjoying your new WE hobby with like minds!
I understand what you are saying…Pumba over in C5 has an amazing built, pm him several times, truly a humble man…David Farmer also not very active as before…recently he posted on his new race car built in Autocrossing/Roadracing subforum…explaining why he post less…one of his three comments was: everyone thinks he knows everything…Well…my take on that is - that is common among all forums…regardless of subject matter…human nature at its best…
However, although many of us are not fortunate enough to have a higher education…few gifted inquisitive minds historically help pushed the envelope of performance that a commoner like myself can appreciate.
Curious Bill, I tried to look you up on a couple of Corvette books I read…tried to find you among the many involved in the Corvette’s development team…I am not very involve in C5 sub forum…so don’t track many of your past threads…just a few on shining up brake rotors and such…so…
Your inquisitive mind here posted many interesting aspects…keep up the enthusiasm, Bill - we are like minds here!
With the above quote, imagine a carrot, a knife and a glass cutting board -- listen and "enjoy" this sound.... <img src="https://knife.wickededgeusa.com/app/plugins/wp-emoji-one/icons/1F626.png" alt="" width="41" height="41" />
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……….. (He says as he listens to the clickity-clak of paring knife cleaning an apple on a glass cutting board wafts from the kitchen.) Clay, now that I’m getting better at visualizing a sharp edge, I shudder to think of what those glass cutting board edges look like under your scope. …. a near mirror polished 180 degree (inclusive) micro-bevel!!~~~~ With the above quote, imagine a carrot, a knife and a glass cutting board — listen and “enjoy” this sound…. [/quote]
That is so funny!
Here I am thinking along…Rockstead’s warning on its owner’s paper work, not to use Rockstead to cut on a ceramic plate, it will cut it - but edge will also suffer the consequence…devil side in me…to be honest…tempted…level head side…NAaaaa:
