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Well crum…Plano must have made a change cuz you click on the Amazon link to take you to the 23700-01 box on Amazon and it takes you to the -02 box. I just picked up one (-02) thinking this is the same thing and guess what…they do not fit side by side like the one in the video and/or this thread. I’m bummed. Gotta return the Plano box and find an alternative.

If someone knows the new and correct part number/model please sound off!

Ryan

I bought the plano 23700 from the Amazon link and they send me an 02 version instead of the original 01

But I think this 02 is better. Its a bit of an update from the 01

You cant put the stones in the same way but they still fit, just arranged differently.

At first I tried to put them in the way shown that worked with the 01 box but they did not fit right that way, but when I turned them and stacked them on top of each other the lid to the box still shut.

And they changed the latches at the front so that you can now put two stones in there. Right now I just have misc stuff but stones will fit. A total of 16 in the box if you wanted.

This is what my case looks like:

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For comparison, I put the two test knives back to the 800 / 1000 paddles.

This is the Trailing Edge:

And this is the Leading Edge:

The darker line along the backside of the bevel on the leading edge is metal. On the trailing edge you can see grooves or scratches where its hollowed out.

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Great, it sounds like you got rid of your wire and now you have a true edge on your blades.

A true edge is much more durable and it will stand up longer in kitchen use, usually the wire edge rolls over after just a bit of work and you can look down the blade edge and see the spots shining back at you.

I still have my suspicions that the stropping only polished the back side of the bevel and didnt reach the edge leaving a microbevel of the last grit progression, but what you have is good for kitchen work.

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Its probably partially due to the direction of the of the swipe.

But I think the back edge of the bevel line is higher with leading edge strokes then it is with trailing edge strokes.

Its nearly imperceptible, but then we cant see the wire either, even tho we know it exists.

At least I do because I can “feel” it on the board.

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The 1000 grit microbevel still had a “true edge” even tho I put it to the strops.

Because no metal was drawn out over the edge to make a wire.

But after alot of stopping with a trailing edge technique it has drawn the wire out onto the edge.

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After stropping the leading edge knife for awhile to try and remove the microbevel at +2 degree’s ive got it mostly removed by the strops.

And it seems like the cutting board bite has indeed returned.

When I first tested the stropped knife on the board it had an Invisible 1000 grit microbevel and it slid on the board just fine. But after looking at it with the microscope it revealed the microbevel to me and now I can see why the the knife slid on the board.

With all the trailing edge stropping I had to do to remove the microbevel from the edge ive thinned out the bevel and created a wire on the edge again.

Iam heading towards the conclusion that a Stone finish with leading edge strokes is better for Kitchen knives.

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So I think when the strop is hitting the high point of the back of the bevel it is bending there instead of at the edge like it would do with trailing strokes.

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…it means the cause is the metal piling up behind the bevel.

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When we are doing the trailing edge strokes we are pulling the metal out into a wire at the tip of the edge.

But when you do the leading edge strokes the Opposite is happening. The metal that would normally form into the wire is drawn or cut back and it piles up behind the bevel making it fatter there.

As seen in this thread:

http://www.wickededgeusa.com/forum/10-advanced-techniques-and-sharpening-strategies/4658-leading-or-trailing-strokes?limit=6&limitstart=0&start=48

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Ive never stropped my kitchen knives before.

Usually we just stone them down to the finest stone and that is the edge we use. And we do it with leading edge strokes on the stones because it gives the blade a better slippery feel on the board.

Ive got the 1200 / 1600 paddles coming and my plan was to bring my knives up to their finish and not even use the strops on my own kitchen knives.

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Someone else should try to recreate the micro bevel I got on the leading edge stroked knife.

Sharpen a blade from 100 grit up to 1000 with leading edge strokes at 20 degree, and then switch to the strops keeping the angle the same and see if it makes a microbevel after a bit of stropping.

If we can keep the slop to a minimum and still see the microbevel it means the cause is the metal piling up behind the bevel.

With the microscope the reflecting light has to be at just the right angle or else its hard to even see the microbevel, so this is kinda tricky.

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I just re-stropped the leading edge stroked knife up 1 degree and I started to see some improvement. So I went up another degree and did more stropping.

It is removing the microbevel but its taking alot of work with the strops.

Yea it could have something to do with the slop or maybe the pile up of the metal.

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I just stropped the trailing edge stroked knife with the leather strops and I cant detect any kind of microbeveling on this blade now like I just seen on the leading edge done blade.

Iam thinking that the back of the bevel is fatter and I will need to hold those strops at the top and maybe put more pressure on them to bend over the bevel now. Maybe even go up a degree, which is surprising.

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Hrmmm…

I wonder if this has something to do with the metal being pushed back to the spine side of the bevel instead of being drawn out over the edge. Making the back side of the bevel fatter then usual.

Iam gonna strop the other blade done with trailing edge strokes and see what happens.

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When I first saw it I thought that the strops put a micro bevel on the edge themselves. But you can tell that the bevel is polished by the strops and that its leaving behind the old grit right at the edge.

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Yea I cant make sense of that because I would of thought it was the other way around.

Ive got a little portable microscope called an eye clops that goes up to 400x I took those images of the edge at 100x Its kind of touchy to focus it at high magnification.

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