Marc H

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This the third installment of Sunday School – Knife Talk.

I try to explain and maybe misspell sharpening myths when for asymmetrically ground and uneven bevel knives. I try to help you identify these knives I explain the sharpening ratios.

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Welcome to the forum Ronnie.

Some blade shapes are challenging and difficult to clamp and sharpen with any Wicked Edge models. Even using the LAA it can be difficult.

I would not attribute your user difficulties to a phoney WE. Never heard any issues over a) the years.

Your Case knife is one of those situations where using a Tormek Small Knife Holder may be needed. This holds the knife offset by the handle.

There are lots of work-arounds and accessories I discuss and use for these situations at this group, for Wicked Edge Users: https://www.facebook.com/share/g/F1baK8jyuCHbtv9d/

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Welcome to the forum.

Are you looking for an argument, an agreement, yes, yes.  All you said is correct. Including the marketing part. But, They really do care. The prices have come down.

But they’re really good knife sharpeners. Really well engineered and well made. The more expensive models are easier to use the precision these things offer. They do what they say with excellent support.

Yes I’m a fan and a long time user. If it’s something you can get how to use, pick it !up, not everyone does, it really allows the user, the actual “knife sharpener” the ability to use these sharpening systems to achieve edge sharpness you never could before. Truly.

Hey, about the gun story…when in college I met a guy who was an amateur gun smith. He said buy this Remington bolt action $79 rifle. He made for me a marksman capable rifle after refining, customizations and accessories. The WE base models have those bones. The newest WE40 base model is $185. My story was 40 yrs ago….

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I am pleased to offer the Wicked Edge Expert Corner Group’s Aftermarket Accessories Catalog for Fall 2024. Please see our PDF Catalog, (downloadable).

We offer user accessories for all WEPS models and series.

see us at: Wicked Edge Expert Corner Face Book Group

ECG Aftermarket Accessories Catalog Fall 2024

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000Robert

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I am pleased to offer the Wicked Edge Expert Corner Group’s Aftermarket Accessories Catalog for Fall 2024. Please see our PDF Catalog, (downloadable).

We offer user accessories for all WEPS models and series.

see us at: Wicked Edge Expert Corner Face Book Group

ECG Aftermarket Accessories Catalog Fall 2024

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000Robert

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Here’s a very similar one just sold in USA.

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Here’s a Gen 4 Pro:

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/cE51dpBDKDLy18Tq/?mibextid=oFDknk

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That’s a WE Blade Stabilizer is in your photo. A Stabil-Rizer is an different aftermarket accessory.

Also, mine is on the taller WE130 vise. The geometry of the two different vises allow for different clamping advantages.

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I use a WE130 with the Stabil-Rizer to clamp and sharpen my paring knives at 15°. No LAA. But, as you say, even with the Stabili-Rizer Clamping System there are limitations. Not often.

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Here’s one…pm sent.

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I experienced something like that many years ago, also with an older version standard vise. The heli-coil pulled when I removed the screw.

If you submit a ticket with WE support, I’m sure they’ll replace your older vise with the current version.

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What Tom said.

It depends on the knife along with the situation.

For instance, a knife that is ground to be an “uneven grind” does have a centered knife edge. All of my right-handed, RH 70/30 Japanese knives have slightly different shaped primary grinds on each side of the knife, along with uneven bevel heights. But the bevel angles are similar. (Since many are hand ground knives I’ll allow a little latitude for bevel angles.)

With these knives held in a RH, edge cutting-board down, the right side, the outside bevel is taller. The inside bevel, on the left side, edge down, nearer to what you’re cutting, is much less pronounced. The outside is the 70 of 70/30, while the shorter inside bevel is the 30 of the 70/30 designation.  The 70/30 describes the proportion of effort to each side.

These RH uneven grind bevel knives tend to be flatter on the inside grinds and more typical on the outside. The combination of how the knife sides are ground along with this more or less sharpening technique, they combine to contribute to how well and how straight these knives cut.

As Tom says, a knives intended to be a typical, common, 50/50 symmetrically ground knife, when improperly ground or improperly sharpened, may have a miss-centered knife edge and uneven bevels. The bevel angles may or may not be the same. Who knows. Time, effort and attention to detail can correct that on a properly used WEPS.

With the increase in small artistic knife makers mixed with modern technology, creativity, artistry and imagination mixed with mini CNC technology, only the imagination limits knife edge grinds and symmetry. There’s no rules.

 

 

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