I have the WEPS system, along with new micro fine ceramics.
Should the stones be cleaned? If so, how often? I’ve read in this forum that rust could be a problem if water is used to clean the stones?
From what I’ve read, lots of different methods are used. I have been cleaning my diamond stones with water, a tooth brush and a small amount of cleanser. Have done this maybe 6 times, thus far. I pat them dry with a towel then let them air dry before putting them back in my storage trays. No sign of rust so far. For the ceramics, I had been doing the same, but am now following Clay’s method of using a soft eraser.
Is there a link which further elaborates on Clay’s use of a soft eraser for the ceramics?
Very good question. And I am still not sure of the best way myself.
I usually clean the diamond stones using liberal amounts of water and a toothbrush. I have read the mail on rust as well, but to be honest, that was the only report I have read of it. I have not experienced it myself. In fact, I often put my diamond stones in the dish washer and they hold up well. (Wicked Edge use a pretty strong glue - 3M tape - for holding the plates. Many other glues would not stand the temperatures of a dish washer. But please only do this at your own risk.) I usually clean the stones after 5-10 sharpening sessions, although I suspect that is far too often.
I have never been able to clean the ceramic stones properly. I use Ajax with a toothbrush, but it doesn’t work really well. On other forums people recommend Bartender’s stuff (not sure of the exact name, they don’t sell it where I live). Apparently this works well because it has oxalic acid as an active compound. I suspect acids work well because they help corrode metal filings left in the stones. And I’m still looking for acids that work well…
Thanks guys - it sounds like getting them wet is a non-isssue. Much appreciate the responses. Any other cleaning tips will be appreciated!
Well I have not tried but I would think normal swimming pool acid should work to help clean the ceramic stones. The pool acid is Hydrochloric acid (HCl). You do get them in different strengths and of course with any chemicals wear gloves. Do NOT get the HydroFLOURIC acid (HF), as that is VERY VERY dangerous.
Also I think the ones that they sell to clean the steam cleaners could also work. Even vinegar might do the trick. Vinegar is also acidic.
[quote quote=“Monk69bl” post=3695]Well I have not tried but I would think normal swimming pool acid should work to help clean the ceramic stones. The pool acid is Hydrochloric acid (HCl). You do get them in different strengths and of course with any chemicals wear gloves. Do NOT get the HydroFLOURIC acid (HF), as that is VERY VERY dangerous.
Also I think the ones that they sell to clean the steam cleaners could also work. Even vinegar might do the trick. Vinegar is also acidic.[/quote]
what you want is H2SO4 which is an oxidizer. HCl is not.. Acetic acid (C2H4O2) will work but slowly.. the reaction you want is oxidization reduction of the iron. Its all very dangerous on the garage / hobby level, and best to just forget the whole thing. sorry I ever mentioned it in the first place.
Yep H2SO4 in it’s concentrated form can be bad, cos when you add it to water it can get very hot and or “splash/jump” out. H2SO4 can be found in car batteries and if you have ever got that on your clothes you can kiss those good bye. Always add acid to water while stirring the water. This helps to prevents the hydrophilic “jumping out” of H2SO4. I agree 100% not for the hobby/garage level.
Try vinegar 1st as that is prob the safest.
[quote quote=“Monk69bl” post=3698].. I agree 100% not for the hobby/garage level.
Try vinegar 1st as that is prob the safest.[/quote]
I agree, vinegar, Acetic acid (C2H4O2) will work but slowly.. I tried to edit my last post , but i see not in time. I tried Distilled white vinegar once, but it took 36 hrs in a hot crock pot, so not real practical..
I just used Soft Scrub spray foam on the Micro-Fine ceramics and it worked well. I haven’t tried with the Superfine stones.
Yep, Hydrochloric Acid (HCL) could do the job a little faster than vinegar, as it will dissolve the iron off the ceramics, is easier to get hold of and way safer than H2SO4.
Wiki Same acid as in our stomachs and used in pickling steel.
Safety glasses and rubber/latex gloves to be safe.
Just thought about it … Coca-cola has phosphoric acid in it and that could also work as the metal in the ceramics is very fine.
It’s Barkeepers friend… www.barkeepersfriend.com I use it… works really well.
BTW, I don’t think anyone’s mentioned leather… a waterless non abrasive hand cleaner with a conditioner like lanolin or aloe vera does a great job of cleaning and revitalizing leather. Haven’t done the WE strops yet… but have done some full size strops, and they come out as good as new. Just make sure it’s non abrasive.
cbw
[quote quote=“Monk69bl” post=3698]
Try vinegar 1st as that is prob the safest.[/quote]
Sure, it’ll definitely be the safest. However, most knives I sharpen are made of stainless steel. And these knives withstand vinegar quite nicely.
As BLD said Vinegar takes forever at elevated temperatures.
Below are a couple of Youtube videos where you can see the effect on different grades.
Hydrochloric Acid
Sulphuric Acid
Thought I might add M0DiFiEDZ recent video here.
“How To Clean Your Stones With A Cheap $50 Ultrasonic Cleaner”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lelu8yS7vtQ&feature=plcp
Does it look to be the best option out there?
I was under the impression Clay said NOT to use an ultrasonic on the diamond stones… or was it the ceramics he said that about…
It wasn’t me, it was BassLakeDan in this post: Diamond Stone and Strop Care - http://www.wickededgeusa.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=2&id=3101&Itemid=63#3102. Suddenly my edit toolbar is missing which I’ll have to investigate. For now, you can copy and paste the link into your address bar.
ah ha, I knew I had seen it somewhere!
Clay, you’ve been using your same diamond stones for years and many hundreds of knives, right? They still work just fine? See any need for H2SO4?
You may well have entered your stone cleaning routine in the WIKI already, if not, would you enter it under something like “Clay’s preferred cleaning method”?
Are you unsatisfied with the performance of any of your stone cleaning methods?
Looking forward to your reply. Would rather leave strong chemicals out of my cleaning arsenal.
Thanks,
Mike
[quote quote=“Mikedoh” post=6320]Clay, you’ve been using your same diamond stones for years and many hundreds of knives, right? They still work just fine? See any need for H2SO4?
You may well have entered your stone cleaning routine in the WIKI already, if not, would you enter it under something like “Clay’s preferred cleaning method”?
Are you unsatisfied with the performance of any of your stone cleaning methods?
Looking forward to your reply. Would rather leave strong chemicals out of my cleaning arsenal.
Thanks,
Mike[/quote]
Hey Mike,
Thank you for the suggestion. I have been using my stones for a long time and I haven’t felt any need to use acidic cleaners on them. I’ll try to write something up and post it to the Wiki and FAQ.