Sharpening the zt 0900
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04/06/2015 at 3:10 am #24996
I need to sharpen my zt 0900 the les george design, but im afriad i could run into problems because of the blade shape. Because of the blade shape will this cause me to have problems keeping the bevel consistant from the heel to the tip? Because of how the edge swoops up i feel Like i might run into this problem. Or should i just treat like any other blade? Just trying to get some tips before i dive into it. I dont want to end up ruining the edge and having to send it to someone to fix it. Im still a rookie with the w/e.
04/06/2015 at 5:24 am #24999I’ve done a couple of skinners which were similarly shaped and I didn’t have any problems. How much experience do you have? 50 knives? 100 knives?
First off, I think you’ll want to clamp it in an unusual position; with the belly of the blade more or less pointed up, so the sweep of the blade is centered over the vise – so that the arc of the rods is directly below the arc of the edge.
I think you’ll have a few others chime in here over the new two days. Josh of RazorEdgeKnives is the guru on blade clamping and positioning. Let’s hear what he says.
04/06/2015 at 5:32 am #25000Yea i have watched alot of his videos on clamping down blades and stuff, and have learned alot but i still dont know what the best way would be about clamping this particular blade because of the weird shape.
04/06/2015 at 5:57 am #25001I guess I’ll chime in to follow up with what Tom (tcmeyer) said by attempting to somewhat speak on Josh’s behalf until he’s actually able to comment personally. I’ll do this by providing a very helpful video that Josh shot regarding the issue.
Also, what I’ve learned when it comes to shorter blades with more of a belly, is to position the knife pretty much all the way forward in the clamp. Before you anchor it down, visualize an imaginary line from point A] the heal to point B] the tip, then positioning the top of the fixed side of the jaw to where it’s parallel to that imaginary line.
05/10/2015 at 7:15 am #25552Ever have any luck with this?
05/10/2015 at 8:31 am #25553Nope, none to speak of it seems. But, your question inspired me to play I around with clamping this knife… even though I don’t actually own this knife.
Again, I don’t own a ZT 0900 so this is literally my first shot based upon what I see. I normally wouldn’t clamp a knife with that much belly so far forward, especially with the radius so far in front of the pivot of the bail joint.but a flat/parallel surface area for clamping looks pretty grim.
~Steven
05/10/2015 at 10:52 am #25558I would go about it a bit differently. The angle of the stone to the blade edge is the same along that straight line you drew. Yes. But it is also the same angle throughout the arc. Which is what Josh is trying to show in his video. Once the light bulb about the arc line came on (thanks Josh and others) then I started to use my clamp in different ways to take advantage of it on curved blades..or blades that only had a small flat spot on them by the handle (all my Spydercos)
Pardon my quick crap drawings but hopefully they will get the point across.
Here is a good split. Anywhere the blade edge is below the flat line or inside the circle line the angle would be more greater or more obtuse..but not my much I think..Anywhere the blade edge is above the flat line or outside the circle the angle will be lesser or more acute. Depending on what you are doing with the blade this may be desired.
Notice the height of the blade mounted in the clamp determines the circle line..the higher up the larger the circle..the lower the smaller the circle..so you can play around with all kinds of different options. I like to start with mounting my blade..making a sharpie mark on the stone and then adjust the angle of the blade so it is as close the entire length of the blade to the line I drew..sometimes I can see if I lower or raise the height..the circle line will match up better with the shape of my tip curve..
I hope this helps some. I too used to think the same as you KnifeKnerd..until I learned of the circle line of magical same angleness..
The above drawing is what I would do, it is a compromise which would not be visually easy to see at all. BUT with this blade it is so short you would not be able to clamp it this far forward due to the handle..
The above mounting method would result in a very even bevel along most of the blade but the tip portion would be slightly wider.
edit..forgot to raise the flat line of even bevelness..ignore the flat line that is not red!
05/10/2015 at 11:31 am #25561Great graphics from both of you guys to show the arc changing in relation to blade position. Very useful tool to visualize the sweep along the apex.
One of the things I like about using two riser blocks under the vice clamp is that it can be used with 2,1, or no block to adjust the arc from larger to smaller as needed.
Just had a Boker Magnum Subcom F come into the shop tonight and man does that blade have a tiny curve! :ohmy:
Attachments:05/10/2015 at 11:44 am #25562I would go about it a bit differently
Zamfir’s answer makes SO MUCH MORE sense. If I need to keep mucking things up so that you guys correct me, and ,therefore, reveal all your secrets, so be it. I’ll happily leap onto that grenade.
Great! What GREAT visuals!
05/10/2015 at 11:17 pm #25565I would go about it a bit differently. The angle of the stone to the blade edge is the same along that straight line you drew. Yes. But it is also the same angle throughout the arc. Which is what Josh is trying to show in his video. Once the light bulb about the arc line came on (thanks Josh and others) then I started to use my clamp in different ways to take advantage of it on curved blades..or blades that only had a small flat spot on them by the handle (all my Spydercos)
Pardon my quick crap drawings but hopefully they will get the point across.
Here is a good split. Anywhere the blade edge is below the flat line or inside the circle line the angle would be more greater or more obtuse..but not my much I think..Anywhere the blade edge is above the flat line or outside the circle the angle will be lesser or more acute. Depending on what you are doing with the blade this may be desired.
Notice the height of the blade mounted in the clamp determines the circle line..the higher up the larger the circle..the lower the smaller the circle..so you can play around with all kinds of different options. I like to start with mounting my blade..making a sharpie mark on the stone and then adjust the angle of the blade so it is as close the entire length of the blade to the line I drew..sometimes I can see if I lower or raise the height..the circle line will match up better with the shape of my tip curve..
I hope this helps some. I too used to think the same as you KnifeKnerd..until I learned of the circle line of magical same angleness..
The above drawing is what I would do, it is a compromise which would not be visually easy to see at all. BUT with this blade it is so short you would not be able to clamp it this far forward due to the handle..
The above mounting method would result in a very even bevel along most of the blade but the tip portion would be slightly wider.
edit..forgot to raise the flat line of even bevelness..ignore the flat line that is not red!
Great pics. I did end up solving my problem and got my 0900 sharpened and it actually cane out pretty good. I ended up clamping it like your first picture. There is another thread i started and i put some pictures up. I think i may have delted them by accident so i have to put them back up. Got some good tips that helped me get my knife sharpened.
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