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  • #51029

    Jim Sheely
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    Hello.  I bought a new WE100 setup, and have used it a few times.  The thumb screws come loose during use.  It’s annoying as I don’t notice thill the hone has changed angles..  Anyone else?

    #51030

    airscapes
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    Apparently all of them do this with the screw indents.  If you have the angle cube (a really good investment) you can remove the bar and turn it around so the indents are on the opposite side and the screws will not come loss anymore.  Once you start using the cube you will need to do this  anyway as you will find that preset indents are not correct for any knife that does not sit exactly 5/8 of and inch above the vise jaw.  The 120 has the micro adjusters to compensate for this, but they come loss as well.  On my 120 I just used thread lock on the micros and without the indents I can finely adjust the angle with the cube and thumb screws.  I have read some folks use pliers to tighten the adjusters.

    #51031

    Jim Sheely
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    Thank you .  Do you have a link to the cube?  I can’t locate it on the WE site

    #51032

    Organic
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    #51033

    airscapes
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    Magnets on 3 sides.. I have to try that one. Just ordered it, now what am I going to do with 2 of them! 🙂

    #51034

    Jim Sheely
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    I have one of those..   Already use it for various things.  So what I am hearing is  to turn the arms around and tighten on the none indented side??  Then use the angle finder to get the angle>>  Sounds good, especially since you can now theoretically set it to any angle..

    #51035

    MarcH
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    Welcome to the forum Jim.  The WE100 is one of the most basic model sharpeners Wicked Edge offers with the least adjustment capabilities.  Positioning your guide rods based on the inscribed markings and indents are just a suggestion and an approximation of the actual bevel angles.  Like “airscapes” wrote above, these indents are calibrated with a 5/8″ tall knife above the jaws, which many knives are not.

    If your thumb screws are not directly in line with the indents in the square bar, when positioning your guide rods, when attempting to tighten the thumb screws, they may not insert the full depth into the detent to afford the maximum holding power.  Then they may rattle loose when using the guide rods.  This may well be what’s happening.  Sometimes jiggling the angle bracket better aligns the screws with the indent to allow deeper penetration of the threads.  Some people use a towel or a tool like a pliers to afford a better grip on the thumb screws to apply more pressure.  (Be careful using a pliers on the thumb screws.  This can easily strip the threads out on the bracket arms or possibly twist the head off the thumb screw).  If it continues to be an issue possible a non-permanent type thread lock product like “Locktite” may help.

    Some people choose to rotate the square angle bar 180º so the detents are facing to the rear.  This does two things.

    1. it allows you to position the angle bracket freely along the square bare with out the use of the detents.
    2. It requires the thumb screws to tighten against the flat square bar itself causing small screw dents when enough pressure is applied

    If you rotate the square around 180º you loose the demarcations and indents used to position the angle brackets.  This is when the Digital Angel Cubes suggested by “airscapes” and “Organic” comes into play.  These allow an alternate and more accurate method to set you guide rod angles.  You may still find the thumb screws will come loose after rotating the square bar.   Again the recourse is to apply more tightening pressure.  There are two opposing threaded screw holes in the “L” bracket.  A second 10-32 threaded screw can be inserted in the second opposing hole.  This applies opposing locking pressure and holds the “L” brackets more tightly.  As seen in the photo below:

    WE130-Locking-Screws

    Good lock and welcome

     

     

    Marc
    (MarcH's Rack-It)

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    #51040

    Jim Sheely
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    Thanks I’ll see if I can conjure up another set of thumb screws

     

    #51042

    MarcH
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    I sent you a private message.

    Marc
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    #51043

    Jim Sheely
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    After looking at what I actually bought.  It is the Pro Pack I..  I also got the granite slab to mount it on.  I am an amateur knife maker and bought this because I am disappointed in everything else I have used.. I’d post some pics if I could..

    #51044

    MarcH
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    The WE100 is a knife sharpener.  It’s best to grind the edge profile on your newly made knives with a suitable method like a belt grinder.  Then you can easily sharpen these knives with the W.E.  To grind the edge profile from the new flat knife blank using just the W.E. puts a lot more wear on the W.E. sharpening stones then they are meant for.  They will wear out prematurely.

    Marc
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    #51045

    MarcH
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    So what I am hearing is to turn the arms around and tighten on the none indented side?? Then use the angle finder to get the angle>> Sounds good, especially since you can now theoretically set it to any angle..

    You are correct.

     

    Marc
    (MarcH's Rack-It)

    #51046

    airscapes
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    Jim, turning the bar around fixed the issue for me.  I really do not know if this is an issue for a majority of users.   It may just be as new users we don’t take the time to fully center the screw in the indent and just crank it down.  Now that it is no centered, it then comes loose. Once you turn the bar so there are no indents, it stays put.. My assumption is this is a problem but in fact I have only seen 4 or so posts recently about loose thumb screws, along with my own experience.  So I kind of misrepresented the issue.    On the flip side, once you get the angle gauge you will be able to set the angle where you want it rearguards of  knifes height.

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    #51047

    Dwight Glass
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    In the L bracket the threads for the thumb screw go all the way through so I put a nylon bolt in those threads on the back side of the L bracket. that stopped the “Wicked Edge” thumb screw from vibrating out.

    I have the old L bracket that was made before 2017. I do not own the new version.

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