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Keymaster
11/08/2017 at 10:52 am.

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  • #41197

    Participant

      Has anyone tried the new handles they look cool,I wonder if they feel any different or proform different?

    • #41199

      Moderator

        I have not tried them,  but this brings up a question:

        Are the hole sizes the same as the old style handles or is the tolerance tighter with these new handles? Clay?, Kyle?

        Marc

      • #41200

        Keymaster

          Thanks for bringing it up! We’ve made them tighter so there is very little play. The new design and material makes for much better tolerances. We’ve switched from polypropylene to ABS to reduce the amount of shrinkage during molding. We also made it a 2-piece part with each piece enclosing half of the bore rather than having a thru-bore which used to require a slight draft to the pins so they could be extracted.

          -Clay

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        • #41201

          Moderator

            Are all of these new handles in stock and available?

            Marc

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          • #41202

            Keymaster

              I haven’t tried them, but they look cool!

              Molecule Polishing: my blog about sharpening with the Wicked Edge

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            • #41204

              Keymaster

                They are in stock now.

                -Clay

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              • #41218

                Participant

                  Clay:  Are they designed to fit the new rod diameter?  Will they fit the old rods?  I’m looking to buy three pairs of blank handles and then load them with the 200/400, 600/800 and 1000/1500 stone sequence.  The question is, do I also need to order a set of the larger diameter rods?

                  Thanks,

                  Tom

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                • #41264

                  Keymaster

                    Clay: Are they designed to fit the new rod diameter? Will they fit the old rods? I’m looking to buy three pairs of blank handles and then load them with the 200/400, 600/800 and 1000/1500 stone sequence. The question is, do I also need to order a set of the larger diameter rods? Thanks, Tom

                    They’re designed for the new, thicker rod diameter, so they’ll be loose on the older rods.

                    -Clay

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                  • #41265

                    Moderator

                      They’re designed for the new, thicker rod diameter, so they’ll be loose on the older rods.

                      Clay, my older stones fit nice and snugly on the new larger diameter rods. They feel like they slide truer without the slop. Will the new stones have this same snug fit and feel?

                       

                      Marc

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                    • #41268

                      Keymaster

                        Will the new stones have this same snug fit and feel?

                        Yes and hopefully even closer/smoother. With the new design and material, it’s much easier to control the diameter of the bore.

                        -Clay

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                      • #41322

                        Moderator

                          I just received my new handles today, (the latest rendition/version handles).  I have not sharpened a knife with them yet, but I did slide them on my WE System, with the newest version guide rods, to feel the fit.  They have a very similar and snug feel as the original stone handles do on the new wider rods.  I was unable to notice any additional tightness, snugness or difference in the tolerance.  That’s a good thing.  I do like their snug smooth feel very much.

                          I did try the new stones with a pair of old style guide rods.  The feel is the same original feel I had for years, with the slightly noticeable slop or looseness.  So those of you who are still using the older original guide rods you will continue to experience what you’re used to.

                          For those of you using my “Stone Racks”, the new version stones do fit the rack pegs correctly.

                          Marc

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                        • #41328

                          Keymaster

                            Sounds good, Marc. I haven’t tried them yet, but they sure look good. And great they still fit your stone racks!

                            Molecule Polishing: my blog about sharpening with the Wicked Edge

                          • #41447

                            Participant

                              I received my new handles today – three pairs of blank handles to which I’ve attached six pairs of diamond stones: 200/400; 600/800; and 1000/1500.  I also added a set of 12″ rods, which are the new diameter of 0.255″.  I haven’t yet had the opportunity to use them on an actual blade, but I can comment on the quality.  Outstanding!

                              This marks a major milestone for my WEPS operation.  I’ve can now abandon my use of bronze bushings, except for the diamond film handles, which I’ve settled on 6/3 and 1.5/1 microns.  The new handles have nearly the same amount of play between the rod and handles as I’ve had with the bushings.  I’ve drilled out the 1/4″ bushings on the film handles to 0.257 diameter (Size F drill).  This is a little too tight for the new rods, but a few spins of the rod in the bushings with 5 micron lapping paste does the trick.

                              With the new set-up, I’ll be able to operate almost exclusively with my 2017 Gen 3 Pro rig, with no real need for the VSTA’s, except for the diamond film handles, where I’ll use my AngleCube.

                              Clay and WE crew:  Congratulations on another top shelf move in your product line!

                              The only thing I’d change is to offer the blank handles in the standard colors – red/orange; green/yellow; and blue/purple.  Or something like that.

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                            • #41448

                              Moderator

                                The only thing I’d change is to offer the blank handles in the standard colors – red/orange; green/yellow; and blue/purple. Or something like that.

                                  Tom, surely you have an old tie-die shirt left laying around that goes well with the new color style handles! LOL

                                What did you use to measure the rods to that precision?

                                Marc

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                              • #41449

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                                  What did you use to measure the rods to that precision?
                                  I have a number of measuring tools that will measure down to 0.001″, but for this I used a cheap 0 – 1″ micrometer I bought from Grizzly ( #2504, currently at $14.50 ).  It actually measures down to 0.0001″ reliably.  I have it mounted in their heavy micrometer stand ( #H7612, $18.95 ).
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                                • #41928

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                                    Hi All,

                                    I have finally made the upgrade from my WE130 to the Gen 3 Pro sharpener with the new rods, new handles. Totally different feel and sound as the new handles are slid up and down the rods (has anyone else noticed this difference in sound?). One of my old 800/1000 hones wont even slide on either of the new rods, gets stuck right before rod exits the top of the hone. Took a little while to get use to the new feel, sound, resistance feeling of the new rods, hones. But I like it, especially the way the angle cube is more precise and repeatable now you upgrade with just the hone sitting on the knife.

                                    Do you think it would be worthwhile to upgrade old glass platen handles to the new handles, also old leather strop handles?

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                                  • #41929

                                    Moderator

                                      Yes the sound is noticeably different, for me more of a whispy sound.  I think you’ll notice an improvement with all your older stones.  I haven’t found any old stones that were too tight to fit the new rods.  Unless you use your glass platens often, if they fit the new rods I’d continue to use them without replacing them. Just my O. I don’t use them that much.  I’m more about sharp and durable than shiny and polished.

                                      Marc

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                                    • #41934

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                                        One of my old 800/1000 hones wont even slide on either of the new rods, gets stuck right before rod exits the top of the hone. Took a little while to get use to the new feel, sound, resistance feeling of the new rods, hones. But I like it, especially the way the angle cube is more precise and repeatable now you upgrade with just the hone sitting on the knife. Do you think it would be worthwhile to upgrade old glass platen handles to the new handles, also old leather strop handles?

                                        Have you tried to clean the bore of your tight handle?  I use a rifle cleaning bronze brush to scrub out any collected crud.  I also make it a point to wipe the rods down with a solvent on a rag.  I use lacquer thinner.  One of the issues Clay has addressed with the new handles had to do with the polypropylene used in the handle not being reliably consistent.  They went to ABS so they could mold the handles to a tighter specification.  If cleaning doesn’t free things up, you may need to run a drill bit through the bore, or if that doesn’t solve it, buy a new set of blank handles and move the platens from the old handles to the blank ones.

                                        I don’t think you can remove the glass platens without breaking them, but I’ve never tried it.  The glass looks pretty thin, but it could be some high-strength version.  When I made my own glass-platen handles, the first version used plain old single-strength glass.  They broke pretty easily so I made a next version with 1/4″ plate glass.  I attached them with super glue instead of the VHB tape, figuring that super glue would release when exposed to heat.  I never looked real close at my 1500/glass handles to see how the glass is attached.

                                        My glass handles worked pretty good, but every now and then I’d find a major scratch on the knife I’d caused by hitting the face grind with an edge of the glass.  Since then, I’ve switched to brass as a platen material.  No more scratches.

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                                        • #41969

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                                            Thanks Tom,

                                            Tried my 9mm brush, really tight, but got it thru, didn’t help. With old rods when I first got them, I taped threaded end of rod and used a drill motor to spin rod on a cloth with Flitz on it. Might try on new rods just to clean, smooth. I will eventually purchase all new hones, Glass Blanks, Leather Strops with new handles for the Gen 3 Pro. Only ones im waffling about is the ceramics. I think they work good, but I see others on here say get away from them. The new sound of the handles sliding on the new rods I liken it to running your finger nails up and down a nylon jacket. Might Let my son get real familiar with the old WE130 setup

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                                        • #41970

                                          Moderator

                                            “Word to the Wise” when buying new handles…there are resellers, (e.g., Amazon.com) and other companies selling Wicked Edge Products.  If you don’t know for sure whether you’re replacement order will be fulfilled with New Style Wicked Edge Handles, only order them directly from WE.  I placed an order for a full set of new handles about one week before WE announced they had new style handles, ready.  I received a complete set of new, in the original package, old style, old stock handles.  So obviously there is still some old stock out there waiting to be purchased.

                                             

                                             

                                            Marc

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                                          • #42008

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                                              Thanks Tom, Tried my 9mm brush, really tight, but got it thru, didn’t help. With old rods when I first got them, I taped threaded end of rod and used a drill motor to spin rod on a cloth with Flitz on it. Might try on new rods just to clean, smooth. I will eventually purchase all new hones, Glass Blanks, Leather Strops with new handles for the Gen 3 Pro. Only ones im waffling about is the ceramics. I think they work good, but I see others on here say get away from them. The new sound of the handles sliding on the new rods I liken it to running your finger nails up and down a nylon jacket. Might Let my son get real familiar with the old WE130 setup

                                              Hi Floyd:

                                              Spinning the rod in the bore with some form of lapping compound is exactly what I did to my handles with bushings, but I suspect that trying to lap a soft plastic is a no-win situation.  Compared to the Flitz paste, the plastic is self-lubricating.  For lapping, both materials need to be hard.   Even sandpaper doesn’t work well on plastic.

                                              If you have access to a set of machinists’ drill bits, try running a letter-size F (0.257″) bit in from both ends.  That having failed, you can move up the chart to a “G” drill (0.261″) or even to a 17/64″ (0.2656″).  As with the Flitz, the plastic will resist the bite of the drill bits, so you won’t actually open up the bore all that much.  In an attempt to avoid opening up the orifices at the handle ends, try to push the drill into the center of the handle before spinning it.  After spinning it at low speed for a while, stop the drill before withdrawing it from the bore.  Hopefully, you’ll reach a point where the rods slide easily.

                                              All that having been said, you might want to ask Clay for a replacement blank handle.  If he’s not inclined to give you a new one, a pair of the new ones cost only $25 and you’ll know that it’s the right size.  The color may be wrong (red & white) but you can pretend to be color blind. 🙂

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                                            • #42009

                                              Keymaster

                                                A 1/4″ rat-tail file works great, especially if you chuck it up in a drill and let it lightly abrade the sides of the bore.

                                                -Clay

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